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NICE Guideline consultation on Induction of Labour

Another NICE Guideline that mentions care for breech presentation has been put out for comment. This time it is Inducing Labour. Many fine colleagues are collating responses to the guideline in general, but I would like views on the specific section related to induction of labour in breech presentation.

I have prepared a response, based on previous feedback from women and birthing people. Please let us know how you feel about this, and whether you would word anything differently.

Induction of labour is controversial, and even more controversial for breech presentation. I have tried to word the response in such a way that reflects the need for more informed choice, rather than more induction per se.

Some other resources:

Response to Draft Guideline:

p.10, line 6 “Induction of labour is not generally recommended if a woman’s baby is in the breech position. [2008, amended 2021]” Cannot locate evidence for this recommendation in evidence review. This statement is vague. Not generally recommended by who? Why? Induction of labour for breech presentation is common outside of the UK. 

p.10, line 14 “Discuss the possible risks of induction with the woman.” Also vague. What are the risks? A systematic review has been done, so women can be offered evidence-based information rather than general reluctance. https://www.ejog.org/article/S0301-2115(17)30578-X/fulltext

p.10, line 5 Suggest the section on ‘Breech Presentation’ is re-written to reflect the ethos of informed choice and discussion, in a similar manner to the section on ‘Previous caesarean birth.’ Otherwise, the service is inequitable. A guideline on IOL with breech presentation is only applicable to women who have chosen to plan a vaginal breech birth. The guideline should reflect and respect this, using neutral, non-judgemental language.

For example:

1.2.19 Advise women with a baby in the breech position, who have chosen to plan a vaginal breech birth, that:

  • induction of labour could lead to an increased risk of emergency caesarean birth, compared to spontaneous breech labour
  • induction of labour could lead to an increased risk of neonatal intensive care unit admission for the baby, compared to spontaneous breech labour
  • the methods used for induction of labour will be guided by the need to reduce these risks. See the recommendations on Methods for inducing labour.

1.2.20 If delivery is indicated, offer women who have a baby in the breech position a choice of:

  • an attempt at external cephalic version, immediately followed by induction of labour if successful
  • caesarean birth or
  • induction of labour in breech presentation

Take into account the woman’s circumstances and preferences. Advise women that they are entitled to decline the offer of treatment such as external cephalic version, induction of labour or caesarean birth, even when it MAY benefit their or their baby’s heath.

Current wording in Draft Guideline is:

Breech presentation

1.2.19 Induction of labour is not generally recommended if a woman’s baby is in the breech position. [2008, amended 2021]

1.2.20 Consider induction of labour for babies in the breech position if:

  • delivery is indicated and
  • external cephalic version is unsuccessful, declined or contraindicated and
  • the woman chooses not to have an elective caesarean birth.

Discuss the possible risks associated with induction with the woman. [2008, amended 2021]

Saturday at 2pm: Consultation on Draft NICE Antenatal Care Guideline

Update 17 March: This was our final submission.

You are invited to an open discussion about the Draft of the new NICE Antenatal Care Guideline. Breech Birth Network would like to collect the views of families who have experienced a breech presentation at term and care providers on the draft guidance.

Josephine and Thiago talk about their experience of Ulysse’s breech birth at Erasme Hospital in Brussels

The NICE Antenatal Care Guideline covers the detection of breech presentation (how midwives and obstetricians pick up that your baby is breech) and how a known breech presentation at term should be managed by your care providers.

The recommendations are based on outcomes that are considered ‘critical’ and ‘important.’ A discussion of how the committee has prioritised outcomes and decided upon a recommendation is included in the Evidence Reviews.

This is a first meeting. A second will be held in March to review the results of this meeting and any written responses Breech Birth Network has received, before the deadline at the end of March. At the meeting we will:

  1. Help you understand what the guideline and evidence reviews are saying.
  2. Ask you how you feel about the recommendations.
  3. Ask you if you would like to provide any feedback to the committee, which we will include in a collective response.

If you are unable to attend this meeting, you are also welcome to:

  • engage in this discussion by posting a comment on this blog page;
  • contact us using the e-mail form below to provide non-public feedback;
  • or leave a comment on our FaceBook group page, where we will post a link to this invitation.

Note: We have observed that some of the women we work with have experienced distress or sometimes trauma in their breech pregnancies. If your experience makes it uncomfortable to participate in a group event, and you would like to have a 1:1 meeting with someone from the Breech Birth Network, please contact us using the e-mail form below.

Meeting Details

Shawn Walker is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.

Topic: Consultation on draft NICE Antenatal Guideline
Time: Feb 13, 2021 02:00 PM London

Join Zoom Meeting
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/88695973178?pwd=U0k2MVg3cSs5eUd0Z29ONjJIbjIzZz09

Meeting ID: 886 9597 3178
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Links to Draft Guidance

Breech Birth Network’s fully-evaluated, evidence-based Physiological Breech Birth training is now on-line! Including dozens of videos of real breech births. CPD certificate provided upon completion. Covering:

Simple Shoulder Press
  • types of breech presentation
  • maternal birth positions, normal mechanisms
  • normal timings of emergence
  • normal fetal characteristics during emergence
  • using maternal movement and effort to avoid delay
  • assisting newborn transition
  • delay on the perineum
  • assisting legs, arms and heads to be born
  • developing and sustaining local expertise
  • implementation examples
  • woman-centred counselling